tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35360257.post3115399268895921509..comments2024-01-25T07:53:27.067-05:00Comments on Thinking Space: Enough ants may bite an elephant to deathYihong Dinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08410466834942147505noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35360257.post-70038351045900962762008-07-12T12:39:00.000-04:002008-07-12T12:39:00.000-04:00thank you, Andraz. It's my pleasure in discussion....thank you, Andraz. It's my pleasure in discussion. Debates always improve thinking.<BR/><BR/>best,<BR/><BR/>YihongYihong Dinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08410466834942147505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35360257.post-16203927643306603022008-07-12T07:57:00.000-04:002008-07-12T07:57:00.000-04:00I believe we agree on most of the points then :).I...I believe we agree on most of the points then :).<BR/><BR/>I completely agree that Yahoo offer is fair to both sides! :)<BR/><BR/>Only point I was disputing was the thesis that this could somehow be seen as Yahoo cannibalizing itself.<BR/><BR/>bye<BR/>andrazZemantic dreamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17346639363388456729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35360257.post-69342512078929090512008-07-11T12:53:00.000-04:002008-07-11T12:53:00.000-04:00Andraz,I have the experiences on coding not only j...Andraz,<BR/><BR/>I have the experiences on coding not only just Web crawler but also performing text categorization, Web data extraction, and data mapping over obtained Web pages. <BR/><BR/>Certainly I know none of these things are trivial. Otherwise, why should these software engineers be paid with high salary?<BR/><BR/>But there is one thing---non-trivial, but achievable. Certainly, however, if Yahoo is willing to be more open in the future (and I hope it will because more open will do itself better), Yahoo may even make the process be trivial. But this is of course another story.<BR/><BR/>I am unsure of your meaning of "destination". But it is fair for Yahoo to ask for infrastructure uses put ads in their service if the services are constructed upon BOSS. As long as there are no extra charge (as someone else has suggested Yahoo may charge in the future), this requirement is fair based on the current Web ecosystem. <BR/><BR/>YihongYihong Dinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08410466834942147505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35360257.post-71811951564399320202008-07-11T08:37:00.000-04:002008-07-11T08:37:00.000-04:00Have you ever written a crawler or aggregator that...Have you ever written a crawler or aggregator that needs to keep its data in shape over the period of time while sites, urls and content change? This is non-trivial thing.<BR/><BR/>I don't think Yahoo is canibalizing itself with this.<BR/><BR/>The real difference between Amazon data services and BOSS is that Amazon is a destination site, where Yahoo BOSS does not bring Yahoo's destinations into the game.<BR/><BR/>But they demand you to display Yahoo ads alongside search results, so they don't really care anyway.<BR/><BR/>Quoting the FAQ:<BR/><BR/>"After the ad infrastructure is ready it will be a requirement to publish Yahoo! Sponsored Search ads as part of search applications that exceed a set QPD (Queries Per Day) level."Zemantic dreamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17346639363388456729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35360257.post-60607232503096197312008-07-10T15:29:00.000-04:002008-07-10T15:29:00.000-04:00Andraz,I have not gotten the chance to look into t...Andraz,<BR/><BR/>I have not gotten the chance to look into the deep API yet. At present I just read several introduction of their services on the Yahoo BOSS site.<BR/><BR/>Probably you are right. My point is, however, that Yahoo's link resources are different from Amazon's data resources. To the end, Yahoo does not own data, but only "links" to data. This difference makes Yahoo's service fundamentally different from Amazon. <BR/><BR/>It might not be straightforward for users to dig out a hidden niche network. But it must be achievable, or otherwise the Yahoo infrastructure itself must be a joke. <BR/><BR/>Amazon updates data by itself, so its users cannot survive without continuously hooked to Amazon. Yahoo, however, cannot update data for its linked sites. Once a niche search engine obtains the linked network, it can build more efficient ways to dig into the specific network. So you see, Yahoo does not have the same service controlling power over the users as Amazon does because from the beginning the types of their resources are different.<BR/><BR/>YihongYihong Dinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08410466834942147505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35360257.post-8982621947231073722008-07-10T15:16:00.000-04:002008-07-10T15:16:00.000-04:00You've read just the PR or took a precise look at ...You've read just the PR or took a precise look at the API?<BR/><BR/>No way to get useful data for building your own index from there. <BR/><BR/>There might be other differences between Amazon and Yahoo, but this is not it.<BR/><BR/>Andraz Tori, ZemantaZemantic dreamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17346639363388456729noreply@blogger.com